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| Frankly I think this page is weird and should be deleted. Why track just those two characters? | Should this page be kept? | | Kantraah | | Apr 1, 2024 at 2:36 pm | | | Players of Celum/Appearances | |
| With Character appearances being a tab now, do we want to maintain this page? I think this information would be better in the character pages, unless we wanted to expand this to actually include all of the players of Liscor. | Should this page be kept? | | Cixelsyderauoy | | Apr 1, 2024 at 7:19 am | | | Players of Celum/Appearances | |
| I think that's a good point. I know at the very least, adding "Dragonfire" should be added into the synopsis. I don't have a problem with it going under the Items list. You could add it in, and if any discussion from the community arises from it, we'll see.
If you wanted to make a write-up further on Dragonfire, such as a section in [[Dragons]] or in its own [[Dragonfire|separate page]], that would be an awesome and informative addition to the wiki. | Dragonfire as an item? | | Torenity | | Mar 8, 2024 at 9:02 pm | | | Chapter 1.01 | |
| Should dragonfire be added as an item? It's one of the few things that can hurt important story elements later, and there are classes and skills that mention it specifically. This chapter has the first mention of dragon fire: "the first thing he would have done would be to blow pure Dragonfire at any intruder in the vague hope it would work"
Possibly also a spell or ability, similar to Ryoka? If this route, do we want to mention these type of references in chapter summaries? | Dragonfire as an item? | | Cixelsyderauoy | | Mar 7, 2024 at 8:34 am | | | Chapter 1.01 | |
| There is another scene in the chapter the trivia is more likely to refer to:
And stopped as Khedal blocked it, saving the ship. The impact rocked the ship, but the Goblin Lord’s eyes were locked on Khedal.
“[Until Death or Dishonor, I Challenge You].”
The Prince hissed. Greydath looked in his eyes and, finally, read his class.
[The Glorious Challenger].
And that does say he read his class | It was a guess! | | Samu.woerz | | Mar 5, 2024 at 1:37 pm | | | Greydath | |
| Thank you very much. I used the 'style guide' button as I haven't much of a clue about source editing. And it worked! :) | Want to chat? | | Apis | | Mar 5, 2024 at 1:05 am | | | User:Torenity | |
| "[Greydath] is able to read the classes of others."
No, he isn't?
From Interlude - The Isles of Goblin and Minos:
“—I came to tell you that the Redfangs of the High Passes are gone. Their Chieftain was Level 38, I think. Two classes. Garen Redfang."
The "I think" there implies it was a guess, so unless there's something I've missed, there's no reason to assume Greydath is able to "read the classes of others". | It was a guess! | | anonymous | | Mar 4, 2024 at 11:52 pm | | | Greydath | |
| So who's good with making templates that we could use to automatically create the pages via a script?
Or should we wait for Torenity's tests with Cargo/SMW? | Template | | AxelTerizaki | | Feb 26, 2024 at 12:56 pm | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Class Overhaul | |
| First of all I totally agree on the point about not making life of editors harder. That's a **requirement** for this new overhaul to work. And I can't emphasize **requirement** enough. There's no point if it's not easy enough.
Second, something good about TWI is that classes don't change overnight : once it's written, it shouldn't change. So it make take some time to set up but adding a new class shouldn't be that difficult. We need to aim for that. The how depends on what SMW/Cargo can offer us
Now about your other points :
* About class spec/reqs : I agree this is more organic than systemic so establishing a full diagram of classes is going to be impossible. There are however some classes where we're pretty sure they have requirements or specializations and they should be noted (Necromancer -> Deathbane Necromancer and so on).
* No class type then, fine with me (I was thinking something simple like Combat/Non-combat classes but that's not very helpful, in hindsight)
* Consolidations : they're pretty organic but then again we would need some kind of relational database for that to work out right. Then again like I mentionned earlier, once the information is there, it should not be updated any time soon.
* For chapters : we need to decide if we want that in the wiki or if we want to rely on pallandor's tool and link users there. Maybe pallandor can make it automatic like, you link a chapter there (https://site/chapter/6.65) and it displays all classes there, and doing the reverse with classes. Then again we need to see if SMW/Cargo allows us to pull data from an API when you edit/create a page so it automatically generates wikicode that links the chapters correctly.
So if SMW/Cargo can pull info from an API upon editing/creating a page, we could use pallandor's tool to fill the information for us instead of linking to it. | My thoughts | | AxelTerizaki | | Feb 20, 2024 at 10:55 am | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Class Overhaul | |
| My understanding from reading the post is each generic base class would get their own page. It sounds like this is to prevent bloat of overly special classes having their own page, and their data should be under their base class' page instead.<br>
Just a note that doing it the above way, may make it difficult for readers to search for those specialized classes by typing in the search bar (assuming specialized classes are not having their own page).
I'm for each class having their own page (even the specialized classes, if only to store their relevant consolidations/advancement/character info).
As an aside, I just want to note that Innworld's class system seems to be very organic. I.e. there aren't hard-and-set rules on how someone receives a class, which class advances into which, or whether a class is a base class or not (i.e. [Alchemist] may have a class that advances into it someday, like if a character were to go from [Mixer] -> [Alchemist] because the System or Pirateaba felt it appropriate for the story. The wiki's Class overhaul should be flexible to things like that. That wasn't a comment on Axel's post, just something I want us to keep in mind when going forward with this.
<big>My thoughts on the data mentioned in Axel's post.</big>
* Class Type -- I don't see a way for us to classify this kind of data. Are Class Types a fanon idea or canon to the Innverse?
* Class Requirements -- Is this for classes required to obtain this class? Maybe we can call these Preceding Class(es). <s>"Base Class(es)"? or "Known Base Classes".</s> "Class Requirements" seem to imply this is a rigid class requirement to obtain the next class, when the System/Pirateaba could just give the class to a character
**Can be None for cases like [Alchemist], up until pirateaba reveals that another class can advance into [Alchemist], which we can update.
* Specializations -- Nothing to say on this, seems straight forward.
**i.e. [Silversteel Armsmistress] is a known derivative class of [Wounded Warrior]. Chapter and character should be noted.
**[Conditions Met: Wounded Warrior → Silversteel Armsmistress Class!]
*Chapters the class was mentioned in -- I think that's useful! But may be a LOT to keep track of, if we need to update each class for every chapter that comes out. [https://innwords.pallandor.com/classes?max_chapter=Latest Pallandor's tool] would make manual verification of each mention faster at least. Or we can link to a service like Pallandor's who's already done this sort of querying on the TWI chapters. I'm unsure of a good way for wiki editors to input class chapter mentions without asking too much of them at the same time.
**Adding a "Classes" field in each Chapter page, much like "Characters" and "Locations" we already have in each Chapter. Editors add the class mention, it gets pushed to the Class's chapter mentions page. Should be possible with Cargo or Semantic MediaWiki. Do we want to ask editors to note that kind of granular data though?
**A MediaWiki API bot to update this field is another idea, if we really want that data stored on the wiki's own db.
I'm proposing a separate section to show all the Class Consolidations we've found throughout the series:
*Class Consolidations: a list for known consolidations this particular class is involved in. where multiple classes are removed and then one new class is added, as we discover them
**Type 1 Consolidation: The class is removed to advance to a different class. Chapter and character.
**Type 2 Consolidation: The class is added as a result of removing other classes. Chapter and character.
<u><big>To summarize my ideas above, each Class's page looks like this, in my mind:</big></u><br>
Base Class(es) <--This Class's page --> Specializations/derivative Classes(es) <small>'''Character and Chapter Reference for each class advancement event'''</small><br>
List of known consolidations<br>
Chapters the class was mentioned<br>
References<br>
| My thoughts | | Torenity | Torenity | Feb 20, 2024 at 1:35 am | Feb 20, 2024 at 6:37 am | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Class Overhaul | |
| Hey! No worries at all. Editors of all skill levels are welcome and I'm happy to help and share tips.
There's two easy ways to add references to a page, and it comes down to whether you prefer to use the Visual Editor or the Source Editor(code)
You can find a brief overview of how to add references for both editing options at the [[Help:Policies/Style_Guide#References_and_Citations|Style Guide]].
If you use source editing and you learn better by example, I can fix the references on the page and you can checkout what code I added, just let me know what works best for you.
Also available by Discord if you prefer more communicating real-time-esque. Doesn't matter to me, I receive wiki notifications pretty quickly. | Want to chat? | | Torenity | | Feb 17, 2024 at 5:21 am | | | User:Torenity | |
| Hello :)
I've done a bit of fairly random editing, mostly spelling and grammar stuff of excellent pieces written by people who know what they're doing.
I thought I'd have a go at adding something to a fairly empty page about Nama. The words/text went okay, but I've messed up a bit with adding a reference link - I couldn't find instructions and my link now isn't part of a list as links are on other pages.
I don't know how to fix it, but thought it better to leave it 'as is' so there's at least a link there if somebody reads the page.
I obviously need to do a bit of learning, and wondered if you could help out by either explaining how I can add a link to a list or by ... just fixing it?
Sorry if I'm causing a bit of trouble, it's not intended.
It's this page, by the way https://wiki.wanderinginn.com/Nama | Want to chat? | | Apis | | Feb 17, 2024 at 5:12 am | | | User:Torenity | |
| holy crap we actually have all skills listed now | wow | | J0E | | Feb 12, 2024 at 1:24 am | | | Skills Effect/A | |
| Hello Ocean23,
I've seen you are eager to create new Chapter pages and that is great! Just wanted to make sure you have seen https://wiki.wanderinginn.com/Help:Policies/New_Chapter_Guide ? It's great for streamlining, especially since I've seen you use "Infobox episode" instead of "Infobox_episode" (which doesn't matter for the display, but all other chapter pages have it like that). You are of course also welcome to make suggestions for stuff we have missed so far :)
I know you do a lot of Wiki Work and hope this message comes across as friendly as I intended. I sometimes suck at communication. | New Chapter Guide | | Ayutac | | Feb 8, 2024 at 4:52 pm | | | User:Ocean23 | |
| See the post, a little late with closing the poll but the majority votes remained.
I'll add these into the [[Help:Policies/Style Guide]] under the linking section this weekend. | Results are In | | Torenity | | Jan 26, 2024 at 5:47 am | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Chapter Linking | |
| Hello Tnoz :)
Since you're a long-time editor of the wiki, I was wondering if you'd like to give your opinion on the different projects we are working on in the [[Project:Community]] page. Add comments here or reply to the ones already opened and check out the other pages there :)
Your feedback would be really appreciated. | Community page | | AxelTerizaki | | Jan 25, 2024 at 10:47 am | | | User:Tnoz | |
| sounds good, I'll do so right now o7 | Category:Appearances | | Torenity | | Jan 24, 2024 at 1:54 am | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Categories Issues | |
| Doesn't change much I suppose :) We can move those categories to Characters. | Category:Appearances | | AxelTerizaki | | Jan 24, 2024 at 1:53 am | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Categories Issues | |
| Ah, I'm taking a closer look at Category:Appearances (and the other Categories similiar to it).
Since they're all subpages of Character pages...my new opinion on this is that the categories Appearances,Quotes, and Relationships should go under [[:Category:Characters]].
This'll make the ambiguity in Content a little more clear. I'm of the opinion Content is meant for things you find in the "World" of the Wandering Inn, going by all the Locations, Plants, Metals and other world building categories in there. | Category:Appearances | | Torenity | | Jan 24, 2024 at 1:51 am | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Categories Issues | |
| that wasn't what I was asking lol. But your answer works too :) | Great Chieftains | | Ayutac | | Jan 23, 2024 at 6:25 pm | | | The Wandering Inn Wiki:Community | |
